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#1 2007-10-17 21:32:14

stephane
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From: Montreal, QC, Canada
Registered: 2007-10-14
Posts: 71
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Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Well it is coming from the developers, but it is a support request nonetheless since we don't yet own either devices, but are developing for them. ;)

Given we're not the begging type (no, we don't want to hit you for an iPhone), what we would need are friendly testers willing to spend a bit of time to help us test our features  (as some of you already have - thx :).

Currently, a point we would like to address is the transition/animation smoothness between screens. The iPhone/iPod hardware is *cough* MUCH *cough* slower than your average mac, which makes it difficult to address from our standpoint. It looks great on my MacBook, but wasn't up to my standards on the iPod Touch I was able to use last weekend. The key is that the animation layer is in the bundled iUI javascript library, but we want to contribute our findings and patches back to that project if we find ways to address it.

So the challenge would go a bit as follow and requires that you edit some code <- warning :).

- provide us with the info listed at the url below (specs)
http://forum.wphoneplugin.org/viewtopic.php?id=5

- checkout the dev branch of our svn repo.
http://svn.wp-plugins.org/wphone/branches/dev/
The download version will do fine, if preferred, but please be sure to mention which version you are using.

- edit /wphone/includes/iui/iuix.js

- locate the first _1=20 you find.
(function(){var _1=20;var _2=0;

- change _1=20 to the following cases, and test after "restarting" the app each time (ie: hit refresh) in mobile safari.
* _1=1
* _1=2
* _1=5
* _1=10
* _1=15
* _1=20
* _1=24
* _1=25
* _1=30
* _1=50

Is there any improvement in the transition performance at any speed?
Which is better (though that's subjective).
Any quirks in rendering? Between firmware version?

Please let us know.
Feedback would be greatly appreciated. :)

Thanks,

Stephane

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#2 2007-10-18 16:28:34

Scifiguy
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

I definitely see an increase in the transistion speed in the dev build I downloaded today.

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#3 2007-10-18 16:35:35

stephane
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Oh, that's good news. smile

Looks like V's compression efforts are paying off if nothing else.

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#4 2007-10-18 17:38:51

andrew
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

I had a tinker with iuix.js this evening and actually find that 20 isn't far off.  I was trying to compare it to the native app transitions but the browser is so affected by things like the weight of the pages being transitioned that it just won't be consistent. The fact that the browser could be displaying the content in either landscape or portrait when transitioning is another factor.  In the end I settled on 17 but that's just cause I got distracted by email, my ftp connection dropped and I didn't feel like setting it back ;-)

There is one bit of consistent ugliness... When transitioning to a heavier (lot of content) page the content of the new page will briefly render above the current page just prior to the transition begins. I tried to get a screengrab but it's impossible to get the timing right.

Specs:
iPod, fw 1.1.1
WP 2.1
WPhone Rev 22409
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3A110a Safari/419.3


Stephane, re http://forum.wphoneplugin.org/viewtopic.php?pid=37#p37  - I took some screenshots:
http://www.andrewlucking.com/temp/wphoneScreens.tar

Cheers,
A.

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#5 2007-10-18 18:33:27

stephane
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From: Montreal, QC, Canada
Registered: 2007-10-14
Posts: 71
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

andrew wrote:

I had a tinker with iuix.js this evening and actually find that 20 isn't far off.  I was trying to compare it to the native app transitions but the browser is so affected by things like the weight of the pages being transitioned that it just won't be consistent. The fact that the browser could be displaying the content in either landscape or portrait when transitioning is another factor.  In the end I settled on 17 but that's just cause I got distracted by email, my ftp connection dropped and I didn't feel like setting it back ;-)

Fair enough. That does help, thanks.
I won't commit the tweak to the codebase [for now], but it's good to know.
I'll have fairly regular access to an iPod Touch at work soon, and I'll play with it some more to see if there's something we can do (lighten up things, etc).
I'm not against the idea of rewriting the sliding effect and contributing it back, but knowing Joe Hewitt's work, I doubt I can improve his code that much. It's a nice little lib, and development on it was picked up by the iPhoneWebdev group, so it'll be maintained.


There is one bit of consistent ugliness... When transitioning to a heavier (lot of content) page the content of the new page will briefly render above the current page just prior to the transition begins. I tried to get a screengrab but it's impossible to get the timing right.

Yeah, that's something I've noticed but unfortunately, it's difficult to address since the roots of the issue are indeed the hardware speed, the way the transition is done in the overall iUI architecture, and the size of the page (which is kinda dictated by the WP receiving script requirements).

One way to cope with it would be to lighten the load on the large form, such as the post one (especially if there are a lot of categories) by offsetting the show/hide panels (categories + advanced) to one or more slides.

We had originally opted out of this to increase the screens productivity (ie: time spend sliding, as fun as it is), and I'm not sure we can fit that in for the upcoming 1.3 (b4 Oct 22nd), but definitely on the list of things to try.


Oh kick [bleep], thx. Just to confirm, do you mind if we use them in the screenshot gallery?
We'll give ya credits. No good deed shall go unpunished. wink


Cheers

And double cheers to you.

S.

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#6 2007-10-18 19:11:27

andrew
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

stephane wrote:

I'll have fairly regular access to an iPod Touch at work soon ...

I'd probably change jobs for a Touch too ;-)

Oh kick [bleep], thx. Just to confirm, do you mind if we use them in the screenshot gallery?
We'll give ya credits. No good deed shall go unpunished. wink

For sure, use 'em as you need.

And thanks for the plugin!

Cheers,
A.

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#7 2007-10-18 22:39:51

stephane
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Thx, we'll bundle them with 1.3.

S.

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#8 2007-10-19 08:33:02

zamoose
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

They're going up on the screenshots page as we speak.

*grin*

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#9 2007-10-20 12:53:25

stephane
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

We have a few new treats in the dev branch, in preparation for the upcoming 1.3 release. smile

If you had checked out the dev branch before, just svn update, and let us know what you think.

- Quick links in "Go..." panel: added quick links to the main features directly from the hide/show panel for easier global navigation.
- User search: Added a search form to and tweaked the output of the search listing screen.
- Added display preferences select list in the appropriate user/profile edit forms.
- Styles and xhtml improvements for the lite version.
- etc

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#10 2007-10-20 18:25:52

andrew
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Cool. I grabbed rev 22670 to go with my WordPress update (finally).

I really like that Go... panel.

Two things I did notice:
- I'm seeing an extra wide Search button on the new user search page:
http://www.andrewlucking.com/temp/SearchUsers.png

- Latest Activity > Latest Comments are all (incorrectly) being displayed as from the same user. For a minute there I thought my WP update had gone badly but this seems to only be manifesting in the plugin view.

I'm off for a pint but let me know if you need more details.

Cheers,
A.

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#11 2007-10-20 18:34:40

stephane
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

andrew wrote:

I'm seeing an extra wide Search button on the new user search page:
http://www.andrewlucking.com/temp/SearchUsers.png

Cool, you couldn't have chimed in at a better time. :)
Gonna go fix that and will commit later tonight.

Latest Activity > Latest Comments are all (incorrectly) being displayed as from the same user. For a minute there I thought my WP update had gone badly but this seems to only be manifesting in the plugin view.

Ah, we've had that before. Most likely an easy fix.
I'll assume you're under 2.3 since you mentioned having updated.

Thanks Andrew, and enjoy that brew.

S.

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#12 2007-10-20 18:57:11

stephane
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

andrew wrote:

http://www.andrewlucking.com/temp/SearchUsers.png

That one should be fixed in svn. smile

S.

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#13 2007-10-20 21:10:59

Viper007Bond
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From: Portland, OR, USA
Registered: 2007-10-06
Posts: 29
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Comments fixed on SVN. Was showing the right comment, but the wrong comment author name for some reason. Odd.

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#14 2007-10-21 11:18:05

stephane
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

If someone can give us some updated screenshots from the 1.3 release (being released as we speak), I'll make a 1.3.1 release by bundling them (and whatever tweaks we might make right away).

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#15 2007-10-22 16:45:56

andrew
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

I'm just posting to confirm that the issues from this post are fixed:
http://forum.wphoneplugin.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59#p59

Thanks gents!

stephane wrote:

If someone can give us some updated screenshots from the 1.3 release (being released as we speak), I'll make a 1.3.1 release by bundling them (and whatever tweaks we might make right away).

I'm much too late but if ya still some screenshots of the most recent version let me know.

Good luck with the plugin contest.

Cheers,
A.

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#16 2007-10-22 17:04:02

stephane
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Registered: 2007-10-14
Posts: 71
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

andrew wrote:

I'm just posting to confirm that the issues from this post are fixed:
http://forum.wphoneplugin.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59#p59
Thanks gents!

Pfew, that's good news. Thanks. smile

I'm much too late but if ya still some screenshots of the most recent version let me know.

Contest aside, we're always in for a few snaps.
We still have the post-contest future to think of

Good luck with the plugin contest.

I won't lie, we're all nervous, and we're all rooting for the win.
But in the end, we're pretty proud of our accomplishments, especially given some of the contexts we've been individually in in the last month, so it's all good regardless of the outcome. As long as our users like it and it does what they want it to. smile

S.

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#17 2007-10-22 17:07:54

stephane
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Registered: 2007-10-14
Posts: 71
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

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#18 2007-10-22 18:14:48

andrew
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Contest aside, we're always in for a few snaps.
We still have the post-contest future to think of

I think this covers any updates:
http://www.andrewlucking.com/temp/WPhon … .1.3.1.tar

Last edited by andrew (2007-10-22 18:16:11)

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#19 2007-10-22 19:32:55

stephane
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Registered: 2007-10-14
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

Thanks Andrew.

That's it, now I most definitely need to get you a pint sometimes. :-)

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#20 2008-03-02 19:14:34

zamoose
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Re: Animation smoothness testers needed on iPhone/iPod

moonmoon:
You're on notice.  All of your postings tread upon the useless/spamming threshold.  I will delete/ban you if you wander too far afield.

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